359 - John Vervaeke and Jordan Hall - Why Christianity?
The Symbolic World
This conversation is in part John Vervaeke's response to my previous video with Jordan Hall (The End of Strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnR2PYtLLnI) where we discussed Jordan's recent conversion to Christianity. John fires up some questions, and we discuss different aspects of sensemaking and religious structures to answer the question: Why Christianity? Original YouTube version: https://youtu.be/Vp_08T0Ucik REGISTER TODAY FOR OUR NEW SYMBOLIC WORLD COURSE WITH JOHN VERVAEKE: The Cognitive Science of Ritual. Live classes start on October 7th, 2024, 2-4 pm EST on the Symbolic World Circle community. This is a 6-week, 12-hour online course. All lesson recordings will be made available afterward and all materials will be provided. The final lesson will be co-hosted by Jonathan Pageau in a Q&A format. All patrons at the Involved tier or higher get a 10% discount; see your unique code at the top of the course page and apply at checkout: https://www.thesymbolicworld.com/courses/the-cognitive-science-of-ritual Join Jonathan Pageau, Jordan Hall, John Heers, and others in Florida for an exclusive, intimate weekend filled with leisure and hospitality. This November event is a fundraiser for First Things Foundation. Learn more: https://first-things.org/aot 💻 Website and blog: http://www.thesymbolicworld.com 🔒 BECOME A PATRON: https://thesymbolicworld.com/subscribe Timestamps: 00:00 - Coming up 01:42 - Intro music 02:07 - Introduction 05:07 - John's pov on Jonathan and Jordan's conversation 08:49 - Why Christian faith? 15:38 - Jordan's answer: the Ultimate Map 18:27 - The current dialogos 21:10 - Jonathan: The Christian Escatological map 25:52 - Jordan: Relationship to Jesus 32:20 - Grief and the qualities of love 37:40 - Jonathan: Particularity beyond duality 41:43 - Jordan: A deeper capacity to suffer 44:49 - John: Being is good / Not escape 46:54 - Jonathan: Theosis 49:25 - What if this is a crypto-egoism? 55:26 - Is this the grounding of your Christian faith? 01:01:29 - Zen: Does the infinite love you? 01:11:39 - Intimacy 01:22:18 - We can't be meta 01:27:47 - Universalism 01:29:01 - We each have our callings 01:30:21 - John and Christianity Our website designers: https://www.resonancehq.io/ My intro was arranged and recorded by Matthew Wilkinson.